Optional: include one of the above "Spotter Cruisers" in the group to improve detection. 6-8 CA. 9K views 1 year ago. Set a small fleet of destroyers and subs on recon and set your main fleet to strike force and wait. Destroyers > Submarines > Light Cruisers > Air > Capital ships > Screens. engine/gun/radar/torpedo for screening and patrolling and one loaded with sonar and depth charges and another gun maybe for convoy escorting. I would use these strictly for Convoy Escort, as I have found that this mission is a great way to catch the enemy fleet at opportune moments and avoid unfavorable engagements, while also enabling troop transport. However, convoy escorts will still be able to fight against submarines once combat is initiated, even if subs are not normally detectable by enemy taskforces on the map. This way they will wreck convoys as long as they don't have any immediate escorts with them, but as soon as surface fleet arrives, the bail. Any ships added. Hoi4 Naval Meta Doctrine. In the meantime, use naval bombers to grind down the UK fleet in the Channel and West of Denmark. Assign a surface fleet as a strike force to assisted the subs. The next CVE line (Casablanca), none really went to the Brits, and most used in the Pacific for all roles, including aircraft ferrying, Fleet Carrier replenishment, Naval Invasion Support (CVE supported this more often than Fleet Carriers), convoy escort, supplementing fleet carriers in battle, etc. Conclusion. If you want, you can change the name of any fleet or task force by clicking in the name box and editing the text there. 28lobster • 4 yr. Well JAP did have horrible escort doctrines. r/hoi4. 2. There are three mutually. The convoy fleet should be something like 20 DDs to shoo away subs. This can be attached to your patrol screen fleet for max convoy and sub destruction. Convoy raiding can also be exploited to murder the hell out of the enemy fleets. TL;DR: i reloaded an earlier save but set my fleet to convoy escort before moving forward this just happened to me. 40-50 DD. You can even then sent out your strike fleet to destroy the convoy escort. Changes the cost of buying a new doctrine of the specified type. Report. Not sure how hoi4 will. 0 "lowered screen ratio for navies from 4 to 3". I would use these strictly for Convoy Escort, as I have found that this mission is a great way to catch the enemy fleet at opportune moments and avoid unfavorable engagements, while also enabling troop transport. e. You can have some ships assigned to escort your convoys. TM1 - improved convoy raiding. For naval, complete Fleet in being, Convoy Sailing and Escort and Battlefleet Concentration. Also they were busy being with the fleet. Extremly costly for medium gain, but if you have the oil, it works quite nice. trim this fleet to just 60 destroyers, so you can run convoy escort anywhere you need to. Capital Ships can use up to 5 yards of production at a time, Screens and Subs use up to 10 yards, and transports can have a capacity of 15 yards working. The navy gives you the agency to go and do anywhere, and not be locked to the limitations of a contiguous land passage. Carriers are also excellent Convoy Escorts. r/hoi4. Today’s diary entry covers our improvements to submarine convoy raiding. Thanks! Will do. against AI vanilla they don't build much submarine, most of them is the starting fleet. Lots and lots of them, and Heavy Cruisers for Shore Bombardment (as they have the best AA:Cost ratio of all the Capital Ships). You should aim to have about 2 to 3 times the amount of destroyers as you have light cruisers. Any decent player or AI will always have a cruiser/destroyer screen to protect the cv/bb. This is done through the convoy escort and convoy raiding missions. R5: Light cruisers are amazing at convoy raiding. Even then, most of the time lost is spent closing the distance with the convoy, which is something even big sub fleets have to do. Minelaying efficiency Affects overall efficiency of naval minelaying performed by fleets. Convoy escorts protect convoys in their mission area. Set your stealthy cruiser sub patrols and minelaying subs to never engage, you brawny patrols, convoy escorts and convoy hunting subs to engage low risk, and your strike fleets to engage at medium. Do not ever complete escort carriers. Also split your SSs into small or big ship raiding task forces. I only convoy raid with the fleet to wipe out the enemy escorts. ] Convoy protection: Destroyers, to screen your convoys. ago. r/hoi4. CVLs in particular saw a fair bit of action in the HoI4 sense. You might do well to add a single Carrier with nothing but Fighters to escort the fleet - if you do, outdated carriers should work fine. This makes for excellent SnD fleets as well as marine landing support between air support, air superiority, and naval bombardment. Mining can also help. Escort group. However, submarines are effective against battleships and carriers, so I'd use them to destroy the royal navy in preparation for full landing forces. Convoy raising works by blocking landing craft and cutting supply lines to overseas divisions. Escort efficiency How quickly ships assigned to Convoy Escort missions can come to the defense of convoys. "Sortie Efficiency" is a direct multiplier to how many attacks your naval bombers will make. Upgrading in Guns, Technology (like Radar, Fire Control etc. Well it makes your ship target convoys. Strike fleet - Strike Force:: 4 CA, 4 CL, 8 DD set to med risk - not as fast as raiders, but with more battery's/guns/torps/AA. All this done with only 2 BBs. NAV do better damage by a lot, and are cheaper, so extremely efficient per IC. Suffice to say that you should have air superiority and plenty of naval bombers while doing that. all of my trade was, of course, null, and i had no way of correcting it. My convoy escort efficiency is abysmal, literally 2-3% in most cases and it's crippling my ability to transport resources in and supplies out. ] Convoy protection: Destroyers, to screen your convoys. Hearts of Iron IV (HOI4) stands as an exceptional grand strategy game, entrusting players with the mantle of a nation’s leader, granting them unprecedented control over their country’s destiny. nice 3 year necro, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. In this I explain both the Convoy Raiding and Convoy Escort missions, and when a. Order a task force to perform exercises in the region adjacent to the closest naval base. Small group of. You can use BC if you want. These slots can be populated by modules via the Ship Designer in order to form complete ship designs (a. I think putting a few light cruiser with radar and scout planes into the convoy escort fleets would work well enough instead of putting radar on destroyers, though I haven't really played enough against strong sub-fleets to evaluate it. I will explain more to what that means later. It provides +20% experience gain towards the admiral traits Superior Tactician and Ironside, and makes it more likely for new admirals to be 'Gunnery Experts. A fast CVE instead of the CL. If you are a minor ive found it more useful to focus on destroyers and subs and maybe light cruisers to build some 10 boat size task forces to get naval supremacy to fend. In HoI4, the Home Fleet still projects naval superiority even if it's too far away to arrive in time to stop an invasion, e. I anchored my fleet to wait outside the landing location to benefit from coastal bombardment but it refused to engage the Japanese fleet that was attacking my transports. You should also have a naval invansion support/trade escort fleet on convoy escort + medium risk and your choice of repair. They are less cost efficient than heavy fighters and not very good during. A 100 ships convoy escorting did nothing to prevent my convoys from getting sunk. Just add as many torpedoes as you can and organise them in groups of ten or five. TAC have better range, and can switch back and forth between the ground and sea war, as needed. 7 in fleet info tooltip. Ok so just use them on coasts and the Med, thanks the info. 5-10 CL. Go to hoi4 r/hoi4. Operating in squadrons of 6 on convoy escort. So that means you can indeed have one fleet with recon/patrol in sea zone A and another fleet with only carriers on strike force in sea zone A, and the carriers react to spotted enemy fleets in the sea zone A. A patrol mission assigned to a region will assist any convoy raiding occurring by spotting enemy convoys. Rejigger as necessary if Allies have convoy escorts or sub hunters in an area. Single-Okra-7692 • 9 mo. Mid-range the sectors outside the coastal line. 1. If you're a major naval power, you can use carriers too, in. A slow strike force increases the likelihood that your patrol will either retreat or be annihilated. a. Once your fleet is ready send anti-sub destroyers for convoy escort and your subs on convoy raiding in some active zone, like around Philippines or DEI. Fleet in being can get the most escort efficiency with base strike as second. Detecting convoys isn't the problem for a 1 sub fleet. Plus, it exposes your capital ships to. Second, Heavy/Fleet Carriers (CV). Ten groups of seven maximizes the admiral trait buffs. Lots and lots of mines. Managing. But chasing after the remaining 20% of results (consistent naval supremacy in any/all regions) is just a black hole of resources for relatively little gain. Q&A. while a strike force or patrol might decide not to start an engagement in the first place based on strength comparison, a raider will always initiate battle against spotted convoys -- except on Do Not Engage. Everything around Singapore and then a big circle all the way up to Russia at the edge of their range. 6 Ironclad. my capital fleets consist of 3-4 carriers (with CAS wing included for land support), 4-5 BS, 5-8 heavy cruisers, 8-12 light cruisers, 24 destroyers, 2 submarines. [If you have a lot of oil, you can send out your surface fleet to convoy raid as well. Convoy raiding and convoy escorting I'll have 10 task forces in each. It's all fantasy land with subs ruling the waves. Usually I'll set up my navy into 4 fleets: stationary sub scouts, convoy raiding subs, convoy escorts (DDs and CLs with depth charges), and battle fleet. S. [If you have a lot of oil, you can send out your surface fleet to convoy raid as well. A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the grand strategy game Hearts of Iron IV by Paradox Development Studio. Naval exercises edit. 5 production per day. I always build a lot of docks and then modernise the entire fleet in the most practical way by avoiding high cost changes like engines and main batteries. Fleet composition - subs are the easiest. General. HOI4 Dev Diary - New Naval Combat. 9 Badges. I sent 3 of them to the Western Approaches and. If the patrol (which is very wide spread) spots something before the local fleet can arrive I manually take fleet to support the local flotilla / wolfpack in the naval province. all convoys gone including the 8k i had in storage, and my trains were also all gone, in fact. In large sea zones, or in cases a fleet is responsible for multiple zones, it can take days for ships to fully reinforce. Make enough of them to have 100% escort efficiency (I'd say more than 50 for naval majors). ago. For the battle fleet, I'll have one big task force with all my fighting ships set to strike. If you want to go beyond that, you have to get deeper into the reasoning behind fleet composition. or convoy raiding) but light cruisers can easily become light carriers for convoy escort duties, and potentially a little armour to help shrug off potential incoming fire. Yea it says the current fleet can escort up to 101 convoys, but that should give me a 25% efficiency with 400 convoys, not 9%. A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the grand strategy game Hearts of Iron IV by Paradox Development Studio. You want to keep them at least smaller than twice your enemy's convoy escort fleet size. Put your deathstack on always-engage-never-repair strike force and cover the same zone. Hi there, So I recently played a historical game as the US, I fought the Japenese, lend leased Britain alot. I had the opposite experience, I just played a game as Nationalist Spain and had very good success choking out Britain via convoy raiding. I personally divide my subs into 5 groups and set each group a target strength of 20 subs. The Helena is the. Go to hoi4 r/hoi4. Sweep Mines: Remove mines and make sea areas safe. Use the fleet designer providing sub detection and speed. In addition to the functions above, navies can also participate in. The DD3 have 3xDC3 and the best sonar, their task forces are set to EALR and as a Strike Force. Subs take longer to retreat, even while hidden and depth charges got their hit profile buffed (though their hit chance multiplier was nerfed, overall a buff to depth charges against faster subs). Yet this comparatively tiny fleet engages my transports at every sea tile and is always able to eventually sink them despite my fleet joining the battle to defend them. A task. all in all one task force for me is about 25. So I've been reading about WW2 navies and it seems to me like a class of ships called 'Destroyer Escorts' are not in the game. If I need additional patrols, I make a second fleet full of solitary patrol ships. In the Sea of Biscayne a fleet with 4 task forces is only at 3-11% yet it says escort presence in area is 85% that's 32 ships in a single sea region with naval bombers also there. With land based air also up in the sea zones around the islands, I figure I'll be good with sinking their fleet. With regards to convoy escort, yes there is a difference. I have 6 convoy escort task forces, each with one CL and 6 DDs escorting through 6 sea zones, and my escort efficiency is in the single or low double digits. Not really a point in using subs against capital ships. r/hoi4. Each doctrine has a convoy defence doctrine path. Subs are used for convoy raiding, light ships can also be used to escort shipping and disrupt enemy raiders. Best. Numbers are most important. variants) that can be produced by dockyards. Go to hoi4 r/hoi4. r/hoi4. Yes, the patrol TFs need to be in the same fleet as the strike force you want them to spot for. Seriously though. More practically, if the US is allied with the UK and has access to the Mediterranean ports, it could have supremacy with the same fleet in both the Pacific and the Mediterranean simulteanously. Convoy escorts. This fleet will then carry out that mission over these areas. Then split them into 2 or 4 fleets. 1, this exact same setup gave me 100%. It enhances Search & Destroy for capital ships, submarine detection for screening ships, and bonuses for all classes, although subs seem least favored. The USN Sub. The +% sub visibility can spell the end of a sub task force. You’ll need a bunch of task forces to raise the efficiency. (fleet in being) my main fleet is mainly in port untill i encounter a big(ger) fleet that can destroy my screens, it then goes to that sector alone to deal with the threat. You don't even get to the part where navy morale never. Assign all of them to one fleet, but distribute them among 8-10 task forces in that fleet. The crew will not gain experience once they.